Suspicious-looking powder

There is actually the odd use for it like the costume parade and one other event where they want you transformed I forget what one, for some reason princely look doesn't work for these.
But even in these scenarios ANY other transformation works(like the million goblins we all have). I agree the frog one in general just shouldn't exist and that turn in is useless for anyone that's played over a month.

so even f2p newbies can have a chance to get transfomaton pots .

maybe they will switch to ghosties soon .

newbies do not have ten millon gold housekeepers . i dont use transformation pots but that doesnt mean everybody else doesnt want them . wonder why my housekeepers were never usefull .... supposed to have buffs ? i got off subject .

suspicious looking powder is cool , its the useless coins all the mobs drop that is the problem ... smiles

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so even f2p newbies can have a chance to get transfomaton pots .

maybe they will switch to ghosties soon .

newbies do not have ten millon gold housekeepers . i dont use transformation pots but that doesnt mean everybody else doesnt want them . wonder why my housekeepers were never usefull .... supposed to have buffs ? i got off subject .

suspicious looking powder is cool , its the useless coins all the mobs drop that is the problem ... smiles

The first housekeeper is only like 100k and that frog potion is one of the first things you get(Because of unbridled most newbies should push this asap anyway). It only really has a use for champions in shield form imo though as it doesn't work for most of these quests.
I've been throwing away the powder, frog pots and goblin pots for years now.
It's a little late for such a tiny detail when we didn't even get a new festival quest this "patch" but whatever.

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I just went down to Varanas central with my suspicious-looking powder x10. The only potion it gives is a frog transformation potion. Can't I get Princely Look from my housekeeper, anyway? What's the point?

you forget about new players.

that was made for them. so everyone have chance to get transformation pots

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The first housekeeper is only like 100k

only 100k for you

does not mean everyone have that money from the start

dont think that everyone is like you

not all new players can gather money fast

and more.

if you dont know not all new players know about housekeepers

so this powder purpose not give you 100 different looks.

purpose is that everyone can get transformation powder

not depending from level and money

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The first housekeeper is only like 100k

only 100k for you

does not mean everyone have that money from the start

dont think that everyone is like you

not all new players can gather money fast

and more.

if you dont know not all new players know about housekeepers

so this powder purpose not give you 100 different looks.

purpose is that everyone can get transformation powder

not depending from level and money

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I don't want to be that elitist guy and I may be filthy stinking rich on here but 100k is literally half a single diamond(and was in response to "10 million gold housekeepers"). You could get that much before even lv.10 by selling dailyquest mats/a single card/production and tier3 runes/gathering herbs/ore/wood low level all still sell. Even just vendoring junk won't take long to get 100k. That's how people used to farm gold was vendoring Kalin Shrine runs haha.

It will probably take all the newbies money and some effort to do so but I believe it is one of the first things a new account should push for, I mentioned 'unbridled' for the real reason to get a housekeeper asap.

If any newbies are actually struggling pm me here and I'll make sure you get some housekeepers.
(Ayvenas only)

one more time

read carefully pls

if you play longtime, you dont understand what it to play as new players

or forget about it

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I don't want to be that elitist guy and I may be filthy stinking rich on here but 100k is literally half a single diamond(and was in response to "10 million gold housekeepers"). You could get that much before even lv.10 by selling dailyquest mats/a single card/production and tier3 runes/gathering herbs/ore/wood low level all still sell. Even just vendoring junk won't take long to get 100k. That's how people used to farm gold was vendoring Kalin Shrine runs haha.

It will probably take all the newbies money and some effort to do so but I believe it is one of the first things a new account should push for, I mentioned 'unbridled' for the real reason to get a housekeeper asap.

dailyquest, Kalin Shrine, production and tier runes

and even the housemaid - what is it here and how use it and why it is important

you know about this.

but is not mean every other new player know that from begining.

how they can know that it is important?

you understand?

not all new players read forum, guides, most of them try to know all questions by they own.

they can throw away recipies and cards, skip important quest,

fight with mobs by weapon 1 lvl when they are 30 lvl and so and so and so and so

here is lot of info that some players dont know.

and lot of 100 lvl players think that is is by default and everyone must know that

but is is not so

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If any newbies are actually struggling pm me here and I'll make sure you get some housekeepers.
(Ayvenas only)

And once again not all players read forum

how can they posible know that they can pm you and get help if they not read specificly this forum thread and post number 6?

how can they now?

Only way to say all of them is speaking worldchat evry 1 hour that you can help them but it doubthful that helps in right time

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How does a do-nothing transformation potion help those new players? It doesn't.

you realy dont understand that?

i will say once more time, with more explanatiom, very slowly

new player come to game. they kil mobs, collect powder from them.

if they found out about festival events they may want do it.

but some events you must have transformation potions.

understand?

you can not do this festival events without transformation potion

thay yet don't know about housemaid potions and housemaid existence!
it is not explained even in basic starter quests!

and thats how do-nothing transformation potion help those new players

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Give them one that boosts stam for 30 minutes. Or give them a choice between int/wis and str/dex. You're actually making my case.

as i say already - who will give that boost?

how they know that?

how they possible can know about int/wis and str/dex stats?

and stats at all?

how they could know about upgrading items?

for all of you question

When was last time you speak with new players?

completely new players?

i was this player. i know how is it play.

i have similar questions and not understand all. i make mistakes.

now i also met new players, speak with such players time from time

i recognise me in them and try to help,

i explain things that are bacis but they dont know that it is basic

And before say that everyone know everything remember that not all players are like you

We were all that new player at one point what are you talking about lol.
Imagine in beta when you couldn't just google information about the game.

Game is 10+ years old now if someone is just refusing to google that's their fault. Basic things about the game like that should be looked up on your own this isn't the 90's.


Imagine joining runescape now and saying, "how am I supposed to know all this stuff?" and asking players about every detail about every skill when you could just look any of the wikis.

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We were all that new player at one point what are you talking about lol.
Imagine in beta when you couldn't just google information about the game.

Game is 10+ years old now if someone is just refusing to google that's their fault. Basic things about the game like that should be looked up on your own this isn't the 90's.


Imagine joining runescape now and saying, "how am I supposed to know all this stuff?" and asking players about every detail about every skill when you could just look any of the wikis.

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i already told you

i speak with new players month ago. some of them read wikipedia, some not.

But even those who read didnt know all main game details and posible options.

you sugest not helping them with information, say that its thei fault, say them its not 90's

i help them, say the basic. and then give link to guides.

they still play game after that and they want to play.

and they know basic already

if i do your way to new players - do you think they like game and stay play?

or they quit game?

how you think?

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New players should understand more than you seem to think, assuming of course they are reading the stuff in the quest dialogs.

starting mission npc and later npc not explain about buy housemaid.

what is it. why it is important. what benefit she give to players- no quest.

wikipedia and other resorses has many information.

and not all new players read all of that from begining,

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I have been playing since December 2010 and there are still things I am l clueless about. I remember being a new player. Having new players gather drops for a do-nothing potion was dumb then. It's still dumb now.

i already told you

not all players are like you

you think gather festival powder is dumb.

but it is not mean all players think it is dumb.

and they deside for them.

you ask from begining what a point of get transformation potion.

i explain you in details.

you dont use it.

but not deside for all players. please.

i not say that i know everything.

i not say that every new player not now all.

i not say that no information guides.

i say that dont deside for all players

better help new players, than make them negative impresion.

I actually love the idea of a player that has gone around for hours killing things for powder but not looting any runes or anything else to get several of these potions and is still under lv.10 housekeeperless. Do these players actually exist?

Ahem, why don't y'all go make a new character and play it until level 10 and see how much money you get by playing quests in and around Logar (or whichever starting are you play in) and do it without transferring anything at all from your main!

Then, just for funsies, go on until you are level 20 and see how much money you have...

Then, for even more funsies, keep on going until you get enough money to buy your first Housekeeper, and see what level you had to play to...

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Ahem, why don't y'all go make a new character and play it until level 10 and see how much money you get by playing quests in and around Logar (or whichever starting are you play in) and do it without transferring anything at all from your main!

Then, just for funsies, go on until you are level 20 and see how much money you have...

Then, for even more funsies, keep on going until you get enough money to buy your first Housekeeper, and see what level you had to play to...

Am I allowed to use AH? Because that can be done within 30minutes of gathering... That was hard...


How about these questions for tiredallready
How does the new player know what this powder is?
How does the new player know how to get it?
How does the new player know where to turn it it?
How does the new player know what a trans pot even is?

Rereading this you made it sound like these newbies are going to know these events inside out but not understand the very basics of the game itself.


There's like over 100 transformations in game, idk how you could argue you would want the one that is the absolute most common and useless. No one was saying get rid of the event or potion turn in, just change it to ghost/ent/witch/demonflower/whatever. A buffing stat potion for an actual item turn in would be preferable.

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You are choosing to miss the whole point of festival rewards.

I choose to miss? really?

are you really read my answers carefuly?

I tell you all this time about new players.

and that SOME festival events need transformation potions.

you understand it?

not all events need transformation potion. only some of them.

And you can get simple phirius potions and other things from festival event.

if you not need that reward - ok. But dont say that for all other players.

especialy for new players.

And now you make conclusion as transformation potion is the main purpose of festival -

why? is a mistery for me

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I actually love the idea of a player that has gone around for hours killing things for powder but not looting any runes or anything else to get several of these potions and is still under lv.10 housekeeperless. Do these players actually exist?

omg.

when and where i said about it?

that new players come to play with this one purpose - to get transformation potion?

and not looting anything else?

one more time.

please read one more time what i say before. carefuly.

YOU know that housemaid is important. but all other players are not like you.

New players NOT always come to play with first mission to collect money for housemaid.

You understand it?

new players see all game for first time.

they play, learn basic, make mistakes, try skills and so and so and so

InferiorityC ask you to try new character, to collect money for housemaid

but dont forget - you have information and experience that new players not.

you can go directly to some npc, skip some quest, using AH and so and so and so

because you know that

new players not always will know that.

new players not think like you.

new players not play like you.

new players not know information that you know.

new players not know that housemaid very important.

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How about these questions for tiredallready

How does the new player know what this powder is?
How does the new player know how to get it?
How does the new player know where to turn it it?
How does the new player know what a trans pot even is?

You can answer that questions yourself, if you imagine yourself like new player

but i will help you.

with little explanation and slightly sarcasm.

1. How does the new player know what this powder is?

If you put mouse over game item, there will be some information.

you know that, right? i hope so))))))))

and if you do it to powder - surprise!!!!!!

you read about Pumkin festival, that you can collect 10 items, give them to npc in Varanas and get Transformation potions.

ta-da!!!!! miracle!!!!!!

2. How does the new player know how to get it?

they dont)))))) and nobody dont know where and when you get it)))))))))

when they kill mobs, they can loot it randomly. like all other players.

and then read the question 1)))))))

3. How does the new player know where to turn it it?

read the question 1)))))))

4.How does the new player know what a trans pot even is?

wow.

i already say about it before, and ask almost the same question - you know that if you read my answers, of course))))))))

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new player come to game. they kil mobs, collect powder from them.

if they found out about festival events they may want do it.

but some events you must have transformation potions.

understand?

you can not do this festival events without transformation potion

thay yet don't know about housemaid potions and housemaid existence!

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that is what i told you many times.

new players not know everything from the begining.

when they come to Varanas, they met many npc.

if they speak with Monster parade orgnizer, they will know that they need transformation potion, and npc in Varanas can help them

They dont know what it potion is, but they can get it and try use.

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There's like over 100 transformations in game, idk how you could argue you would want the one that is the absolute most common and useless.

when and where i said about it?

that I WANT get this potion and only this potion?

read again my posts please. slow and careful.

like i say before

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so this powder purpose not give you 100 different looks.

purpose is that everyone can get transformation powder

not depending from level and money

See?

i say about new players.

about posible options for them to get at least any potion.

no matter what transformation potion looks like.

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No one was saying get rid of the event or potion turn in, just change it to ghost/ent/witch/demonflower/whatever. A buffing stat potion for an actual item turn in would be preferable.

here is 2 game questions in one topic.

1. this is do-nothing transformation potion and nobody need that

i argue with that from the begining and explain details.

if you read carefuly.

2. change this potion to another potion

nobody argued with that.

I can't believe a stupid frog potion is getting this much attention lol

I can't believe also. but it is))))

but i hope i explain you main idea about new players))))))

How helpless do you guys think the average new player is? Is this the first and only MMORPG? Is the concept of AH/house system new and cryptic?

By arguing this whole housekeeper thing you guys are arguing the frog specifically should stay... This is a really dumb argument. Here, I'll entertain you guys. Yes because I know the interface, newbies will probably take twice as long. (A Whole hour)

-I made a new Elf.

I looked around and started the tutorial quests.

This lead me to the housekeeper and auction house IMMEDIATELY and explained how they work including housekeepers...
A few quests in and the gathering NPCs are right there and I sold a couple frost runes for 150k total on AH. dang. Not even close to Varanas let alone any powder/event NPCs

-I made a new Dwarf.

Starting quests are actually more complicated and involve combat.

Still only takes about 10 minutes casually moving to get to HOUSEKEEPER and GATHER and AUCTION HOUSE quests that all explain their systems...
I also have plenty of runes and gathering mats within 30minutes. I have not even seen a single 'Halloween NPC' at this point.

-I made a new Human.

The starting quests are gathering IMMEDIATELY and within 3 minutes there's a quest and dialog about HOUSEKEEPERS/AH at Logar.....

I catch 2 Cavvys before lv10 and sell the rune spirits for 100k each as well as 300k this time from runes due to event price spike.........



I swear to flying spaghetti monster this is the dumbest argument I've ever taking part in. Yes there is the odd REALLY helpless player, do you think the game should cater to these people? lol.