Warlock Speed ISS Stacking

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No. You alone having an issue is not enough. Thats when you become the issue

Or as we say: Sounds like a you problem. now got touch grass.

Why i doubt you:

Quote from Roniethegreat

Honestly, I think it's time to let go of the claim that you have proof that everyone in your guild shares the same issue as you, because if you did, you would've presented it long ago. Since you're unwilling to provide any evidence, I reached out to one of your guild members, and they mentioned that you've stopped sieging and have been blowing up the guild’s discord with your warlock speed complaints. According to them, you even tried to get the top two guilds on the US server to ban the speed ISS in siege, but it seems you weren't successful as no one else sees it as an issue except yourself.

I know that no official teammember has answered so far. The only one that could even have the slightest insight is Fossilo. Everyone else is just a volunteer and has no insight on the inner workings.
But i can tell you his exact answer:

We will look into it or forward it to GF but no balancing changes are planned for the near future

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We will look into it or forward it to GF but no balancing changes are planned for the near future

Seriously speaking that's basically it, I'll bring the topic up with the team, but since it's been like this for many years, I don't expect a fix anytime soon.

However we will discuss the situation and try to come up with a decent solution. (No, "just nerf warlock" it is not a feasible one)

Feel free to keep suggesting how to balance and ideas on how to solve this situation, everything will be forwarded (So far I don't see a solution that could completely address the problem)

Hot damn now how did i just know that now.

Maybe because i am one of the most experienced players in the game?

My balancing input:

Simple value tweaking to take off the edge. Reduce the speed values of "Path of anguish" to 20% (is at 30%) and for "Traces of the Void" to 45% (is at 60%) respectivly. That way warlock wont loose his speed advantage that he needs to not be just completly squished, but at the same time reduce the speed related bugs that most definetely occur at extremly high speeds. (Mostly during the use with herald speed, spellweaver and SW title-buffs)

Soooo. I have confirmation of your guildmates that its just you and another rouge thats constantly crying about warlocks being speedy bois.

(You do know that most high end pvp players do contact each other from time to time just to mess around? Regardless of server or region?)

Yes my suggestion is a nerf. I know the backports and so on. I have them myself speeding around at mach fu**.

Still doesnt mean i want to cripple the class completly. Esp since my calculation scales a lot higher in SW with all buffs enabled. So it will still be fast, but as i wrote, it will take the edge off. (Stable, herlad spellweaver and titles are still a thing that will scale better due to the base speed a warlock has and i am fine with that)

You see, i can conpromise. I dont want the class crippled but i know that it can cause problems.

I have enough insight into pvp mechanics to recognize stuff like that.

Yea and we will hear the same people complaining.

You

Ashamire

And a priest that wasnt namedropped by your guildmates.

Neither your guildies are interested in a nerf.

Nor your opponents in a server-solution.

Idk what to tell you man, but your support is running real thin.

You claimed to have proofs. You denied showing them.

Now we followed up on our own and it paints a different picture.

In the court of public opinion the ball is in your field to show something. Just saying: trust me bro, everyone is complaining aint gonna cut it anymore.

Ohh trust me. I am well informed.

Now to roughly quote your current guildmates:

I had to mute them since they were were so annoying.

I tried to show one how to play warlock but he was so bad he went back to rouge and kept on crying.

Again. Issue with the warlock or just too bad to actually play PVP?

I have the same conversation i my guild too. But i just showed them how to properly bully warlocks.

Now its rather quiet about warlock because we can counterplay.

Ultimately that is what pvp is about.

You blow up your own issues or those of some seemingly rather bad players to an issue of seemingly "global" proportions while it can be solved with you know a simple dose of

Git. Gud.

Noone says warlock is not a strong class.

I even proposed a solution that takes the edge off, but wont cripple him.

But i can tell you one thing fot sure:

In the cases off all those crying now, it wont help you in any way.

You will always die to a good warlock.

You will always die to any good pvp player.

You will keep crying about warlocks.

You will start to cry about KM because most warlocks just switch their gear and whops, another OP pvp char is born.

You wont solve that issue if you dont start working on it yourself.

You can fight warlocks. I can do it.

I even showed it to a few people and now would you look at that. The issues are gone. Suddenly they fight. Suddenly they win.

No. If its only your issue its not an issue that needs to be addressed.

Your own issue with the class is something that you yourself need to fix.

Either by getting better

By stopping to cry about it

Or worst case quitting pvp.

As i said. You blow it out of proportion.

The skills work as intended.

The multiplication works as intended just as it does for all other skills.

So its not an actual skill issue.

Its only your issue since you refuse to use it yourself and you are just too bad to actually go toe to toe with any other warlock.

I am not a mind reader.

But i do my due dilligence on gathering evidence that you are full of nonsense. Thats more than you have provided so far.

You have shown no evidence.

Noone came forward to support your claim and here i am left with everything you provided to counterargument you at every corner. Dont mind if i do.

You claim its an issue. I say it isnt and if its only 4 of you crying i will assure you that GF wont change anything since it maybe makes the game better for you. But it makes it worse for hundreds of others. Thats something that wont happen. The issue of a few does not mount the need for a solution the many dont want.

My solution is something that addresses mostly the issues our pvp servers take with too much speed.

While the skills work as intended the server still doesnt like it so lets see what happens.

(Everyone knows those issues exist. Thats just an objective observation. If the server performance gets enhanced instead i would be even happier)

But if the change does not get implemented (which i hope it doesnt) i wont care at all.

I like the warlock in its current state as expressed before.

But i am always open for a compromise and i actually provided something productive for you see, i actually think about solutions and dont just cry Mimimimi warlock bad.

Also: why i think that its a skill issue on your end: i actually looked at some of your videos and man. You really need help.

Maybe listen to clancy if he tries to tell you something. That should fix pvp for you at least.

Guys, I need you to chill out.

While I enjoy and encourage any kind of lively discussion, this has ventured into childish namecalling.

Please stay civil and try to be more open to each other's opinion.

Quote from Fossilo

Feel free to keep suggesting how to balance and ideas on how to solve this situation, everything will be forwarded (So far I don't see a solution that could completely address the problem)

It is nice to see you say "address the problem", acknowledging there is one.

Anywho;

58 and 90 Elites - Remove the movement speed completely from this. Its not needed. Increase the other part of the buff to compensate; 5% / 10 seconds / 10 times and 6% / 12 seconds / 10 times, respectively.

67 and 99 Elites - Lower movement speed buff to 15% and 30%, respectively. Increase the other part of this to 8% of hp per second.

Saces's Impulse (WL/CH Elite) - Remove healing from this skill. Decrease Intelligence buff to 10% maximum at level 100.

Sort of unrelated, but also make maximum PvP damage reduction at like 60-70%.

Quote from MattyB

58 and 90 Elites - Remove the movement speed completely from this. Its not needed. Increase the other part of the buff to compensate; 5% / 10 seconds / 10 times and 6% / 12 seconds / 10 times, respectively.

67 and 99 Elites - Lower movement speed buff to 15% and 30%, respectively. Increase the other part of this to 8% of hp per second.

Saces's Impulse (WL/CH Elite) - Remove healing from this skill. Decrease Intelligence buff to 10% maximum at level 100.

What class do you play? It doesn't sound like you're familiar with the warlock/champ or have a full understanding of the class mechanics.

Your solution would completely cripple the class and render it as ineffective as mages. That's probably why mages are rarely seen in both PVP and PVE (unless they're mage/wrl). It's unfortunate that mages need significant improvements to become viable, but that's a separate discussion altogether.

Currently, the warlock/champ stands as the sole viable caster in the game capable of dealing substantial damage in both PVP and PVE. It's crucial to note that the majority of the warlock's damage skills heavily rely on focus, with consumption ranging between 15-35 focus and they do terrible damage. While Puzzlement and Heart Collection Strike provide better damage, they still depend on using other skills prior to maximize their damage. Not to mention, they have terrible focus regeneration.

As a consequence, the warlock's burst damage heavily relies on Severed Consciousness, a channeling skill that consumes two PSI. This means that if the warlock gets interrupted during the channeling (due to stuns, silence, interrupting skills, or the target being out of range or sight), the casting stops, resulting in the loss of two PSI and a significant drop in damage output. Once they deplete their PSI, they won't be able to use Severed Consciousness again until Rage Sublimation and Willpower Blade come off cooldowns.

Nevertheless, this thread is about warlock speed, I currently see only two viable solutions that could be implemented without crippling the class.

Speed Cap in Siege War

OR

Quote from Torkilsd

My balancing input:

Simple value tweaking to take off the edge. Reduce the speed values of "Path of anguish" to 20% (is at 30%) and for "Traces of the Void" to 45% (is at 60%) respectivly. That way warlock wont loose his speed advantage that he needs to not be just completly squished,

Quote from MattyB

Saces's Impulse (WL/CH Elite) - Remove healing from this skill. Decrease Intelligence buff to 10% maximum at level 100.

BTW about it - logical to make this skill Primary for ALL warlocks, not only wl/ch. Looks like discrimination of other warlocks, and most cool ISS exist personally for 1 combo.

Killing the heal in saces and removing the int bonus just straightup kills the class.

Its already being dicked real good since it cant be used in panth whatsoever and now you want to remove his pve capabilities completly?

Just as a reality check: the damage right now is the same as rouges, scouts warden warrior or champ.

Straightup removing half his intelligence makes it worse than any of the classes mentioned above pretty much killing the only caster we have left as dps.

Mages are FUBAR.

Only magic dps in panth are KM or WM.

And now you want to further nerf the class? Hell no.

Killgore is not too fast. I watched your vids.

You are just way to slow to anticipate and target him.

Get some feeling for his timing and just immune yourself.

You dont play against 5 or 6 strong warlocks. Watch clancy. He mops the floor with Killgore, why cant you do that as well? Is it the speed or are you too slow?

And yea, clancy gets killed by killgore too. Thats life. Thats how a warlock 1v1 usually functions.

Just use the speed yourself and dont cry wolf where none is to be found.

Also, kogo pot or ring, not really many warlocks use those. Buff slots are precious. And wasting 3 or more on a little bit more speed while already runs around at mach f***.....

Nah. Thats not an issue.

tldr but...

Quote from Domalash

are you so desperate to make me look bad..

nah, you did this well by yourself

Hot damn that gets annoying to read through.......

Why am i defending warlocks so much? Well easy. They are needed and its a fun class to play.

Yes. Warlocks can get annoying if you dont play warlock yourself. But well that doesnt apply to you anyways. You are just another really bad warlock that maybe should play mage and farm bolgus.

I recently played in a sw as scout vs 6 warlocks. They could pretty much run circles around us, but even then i did well as scout. Even then i just plain oneshotted some warlocks. Now tell me: how much easier do you want warlocks to be killed. Do you want to kill the class as whole? Next whiny thread will be to nerf scout damage after?

Really. Learn to play first before you start crying. Warlock is not the be all, end all class you make it out to be. Its strong. Yea. But easily punishable. And the easiest solution usually is to just be a better warlock.